They arent fit and able to do the job. And therefore unable to mee their side of the employment agreement.

Redploy else where or terminate. — Andrew

Crikey Andrew, a bit harsh, and a volley in the direction of the ground end terminations of your legs :lol: given the present labour supply, Terri & Detta's approach works for me

As per the Acop, what do the makers of the cranes that you are using recommend? You are responsible for developing the checks and frequency to suit your situation and providing the documentation.

Hello Brendon,I'm guessing you've taken a look at the Acop for cranes?
3.2 Routine Checking
Every controller of a crane shall ensure that:
(1) operators carry out appropriate checks to enable the crane to be operated
safely, according to the controller’s written procedures based on the
manufacturer’s instructions where available, and that the controller can
demonstrate that the checks have been carried out
(2) the controlled range feature, where fitted on radio-controlled cranes, is
tested at suitable intervals, and that at the beginning of each shift, or
where there is a change in the crane operator, the controlled range is
checked to ensure that it is in accordance with the limits specified for its
operation.
https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/topic-and-industry/cranes/

Manufactures Instructions might shed some light Chris, and COF check maybe for visible wear damage,

You could use your version of a sign in sheet, electronic version to capture both the visitors cell, and their off site contact number(employer etc etc)

No reason why you can't do your own thing Micheal, you just have to be able to demonstrate that your in-house training system and assessment system does the job. This would only be an issue if an incident occurred.

I spent 14 years as a Materials Handling Equipment technician, when I moved on to another life, setting up and running a plastic sheet extrusion company, I had no spare dosh for forklift operators training courses, so I set up my own in-house jobbie, using training materials that I had accumulated while servicing and rebuilding battery electric materials handing equipment.

Steve H I do believe the UK determination does not apply here as the ACOP is the NZ reference or am I wrong? — Don Ramsay

No you are quite correct, I provided the UK LOLER determination to indicate what a well resourced Health & Safety Regulator does, possibly if things did happen to go "pear shaped" with Micheal's DIY training, his defence council might be able to make use of it as "orbita" if push comes to shove.

For $75 per operator, this might be worth considering Michael walkie-stacker-electric-pallet-jack-training The old Department Of Labour used to have some useful Operator Guides for Counter Balance FL's, Reach Forklifts and one for Pallet Jacks, a quick search hasn't turned copies up, but maybe if you find the Internet Way Back Machine,you might turn up copies

1.2 POWERED INDUSTRIAL LIFT TRUCK VEHICLE
DEFINED
A powered industrial lift truck is a vehicle drawn or propelled by mechanical,
electrical or manual power, designed incorporating a powered lift principally
to lift, carry or stack goods by means of:
(a) A fork consisting of one or more arms which support the load; or
(b) A platform; or
(c) Any attachment or other mechanism.
Without limiting the above definition this includes forklifts, order pickers, side
loaders, reach trucks, pallet trucks, platform trucks, straddle trucks and lateral
stacking trucks. While this definition does not include straddle carriers, much
of this code of practice is applicable to that equipment.

The old COP for TRAINING OPERATORS AND INSTRUCTORS OF POWERED
INDUSTRIAL LIFT TRUCKS (FORKLIFTS) includes this definition which appears to pull in "pallet lifters" Micheal, the UK HSE issued a clarification that pallet lifters that couldn't lift a load above 300mm were exempt from their LOLER examinations (Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations 1998 -LOLER)

Am I right to have reservations about how the prelim audit was conducted or am I confirming what my mother thought all along i.e. I have an overactive imagination? — Jono Johnson

Absolutely, be interesting to run an unannounced audit of one of the unaudited branches, but I'd bet things aren't as tickety-boo as might be thought.

But I still haven't seen the need for a sign in sheet for visitors to the office. — Garth Forsberg

How about this scenario Garth, nothing to do with your office, a visitor has some kind of medical emergency while on your premises. Wouldn't make your life easier if you had some contact details for their employer etc etc?

however is quite silent on when where and what. — Matthew Bennett

You could try PTR Group Matt, US based but they may be able to point you in the direction of a local agent/ or Aussie one.

https://www.ptrgroup-mfg.com/products/valve-protection/guards/

It's quite a comprehensive page with different options/construction sizing etc :smile:

un activity: Whenever you are asked to sign in that you have understood the Hazards on site, ask the person at reception what they are. — MichaelWilson

A development of this Micheal, is to ask what controls they have implemented to reduce/eliminate those hazards. In a lot of instances (hopefully) they'll be able to tell you. Matt is quite right, just having a check in sheet/sign in system isn't enough, there has to be a heap of real work done in the back ground.

Looks like an interesting webinar Keith, well spotted.

A cunning tip if you are posting a link and it's a meaningless mixture of letters numbers etc, type in the link title, right click and run your mouse cursor over the text you've just entered and copy it into your clip board, release the right button.
Go up to the wee tool bar at the text entry box, and left click the link symbol, paste your link text into the link box that opens Once it's opened and you've pasted your text,go to the page of your discovery and copy the webpage address into your clip board, go back to the forum page and paste the link into the link box, click Go and it writes the right html language into your post, and then it's a done deal.

Safety Incentives: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

Doing this makes links look prettier as above, and can ease link anxiety, the fear of clicking

Matt is talking about a shield for a gas bottle that lacks an integral welded valve shield. To be effective, the bottle would need to be manufactured to accept them, as his supplier suggests a guard that was retained by the valve stem wouldn't improve the situation

Valve guard
A device that is securely fixed around the valve, but stands taller than the highest point of the valve. Guards can be of cast or welded metallic construction or made from non-metallic moulded plastics. They are often attached to the cylinder shell via a neck ring with a screw mounting, a clamp design or a circlip.

BOC Bottle Handling Guide here

Think we're on the same page Matt, as a former contractor supplier of an electrical safety service, I was always amused that in some instances, we would have to request a signing in book, or if it was on a counter,it was covered by "other stuff" and the last signatures/details were ours from our last visit.

We had contracts with some well recognised national companies, so not some Mom & Pop operators, and was therefor surprising that we had a better understanding of their H&S procedures than some branches did..

The behavior of the person meeting and greeting the visitor or guest (organizational cultural) is so much more important. And a comprehensive, multi layered clearance plan representative of the nature of a 'reasonable to expect' emergency (imagine designing the fire evacuation plan for a prison). — Matthew Bennett

This is true Matt, the only problem with not having a record of having done the meet, greet and brief, if there is an issue that drags WorkSafe from it's office, how will you prove what was done, and how well it was done.

Here's a link to one of Work Safe's latest prosecutions which has a bearing.
Company Fined $315K

Judge Crosbie said that the company engaged with an engineering company to modify the saw, but did not seek or obtain assistance from an appropriately qualified person or organisation.

"There was no guidance as to whether the modification met industry standards."

The WorkSafe investigation also found that the guarding and safety feature of the saw did not comply with their standards.

The company had argued the charge should be dismissed because a WorkSafe inspector had visited the factory on November 21, 2017, to look at the saw. The inspector didn't raise any concerns following the visit, instead noting in an email: "Machinery in place are guarded well which was my primary focus for the visit...."

'm interested in how risk is seen as different depending on location. — Andrew

Perhaps they are considering the number of exposures to that risk Andrew, site A uses process XYZ several times a week, and site B only uses the same process once or twice per month

Totally agree Stuart and the steadily increasing serious harm accidents are testimony to this.

Not normally a "The Hui" viewer, but last night's one featured a young scaffolder who received a severe high voltage electric shock when he was deconstructing a scaffold around a house. Well worth watching, Three Now,[url=http://The Hui 20th Sept 2022] https://www.threenow.co.nz/shows/the-hui/tuesday-20-september-2022/125685/M62945-281 [/url]

While you are about it, this podcast might be worth a listen The Dangers Of Working In New Zealand

OP Garth seems to be suggesting that "Inducting a contractor" is sufficient Principal/Responsible Person oversight of that contractor, even for an office situation, there are likely to be odd spots that such a contractor could be in and not be found in an emergency situation- Electrical Switch Rooms, Server Rooms, Air Con spaces, along with Jane's suggestion of ceiling/roof spaces

Think you have come up with three valid reasons why knowing who is on your site, what their status is (inducted contractor or their employee, visitor, etc) and where/who with they are on your site, and are they charging you the correct number of hours.